The author of the award-winning book, Hillbilly Elegy tells Indy Politics that when it comes to addressing poverty and upward mobility it is more complicated than either a lack of resources or personal responsibility.

JD Vance spoke in Indianapolis this week at the annual Indiana Chamber Fall dinner.

He said to truly address poverty, we have to address the challenges that families are facing.

You can hear him in the Leon-Tailored Audio above.  Each segment runs about nine minutes.